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David Hill (9 Apr 1999) "The New Jerusalem (Part One)"

"And the LORD God planted a Garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed. And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil. And a river went out of Eden to water the garden; and from thence it was parted, and became into four heads...And the LORD God took the man, and put him into the garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it..."

Why was it called Eden before God created the Garden? The scholars, who only see with fleshly eyes, tell us that Eden is the 'region' of Adam's home. And yes, this is where Adam lived, but it was called Eden before God formed this incredibly beautiful garden, with rivers and flowers and trees; and before He placed Adam and Eve, the Crown of Creation, in the Garden. It was already called Eden. We would do well to reflect upon this, because this is where our father Abraham has trod. Eden means pleasure and delight. It is the exact same concept as our word Paradise. In other words, it was already paradise before God created the Garden of Paradise. So, like Abraham before us, let us ask one question. What would make Eden a paradise before the Garden was created. I think that you will follow the same path I have. Only one thing could possibly accomplish this, and that is the home of God Himself. Nothing else.

You see Eden is not a region. Eden is a City, which has foundations and whose builder and maker is God.

"But ye are come unto Mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an inumerable company of angels, to the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect, and to Jesus the mediator of the New Covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel."

The writer of Hebrews, walking down the same path that Abraham did, entered through the Gates of Faith into the Home of our Father. He describes the scene with words that bring us back to Eden. What else could the City of the Living God be, but His Home, His dwelling place, here called Mount Zion, where all the redeemed of the ages have citizenship and Holy Communion. And the writers of the Scriptures, who describe for us our Fathers Home, are unamious in their description of the City being The Mountain of the Lords House. Only in Genesis, is this Mountain imagery absent. However, even silence can speak volumes, and with eyes of faith you can see the City of Eden as a Glorious Mountain towering over the Garden of Paradise.

The City of Eden is the Mountain of the Lord's House. For the Lord Himself tells us so in Ezekial. Speaking of Lucifer, before the fall, the Lord says, "Thou hast been in Eden, the garden of God...thou wast upon the Holy Mountain of God." Here the Lord Himself shows us that His Mountain was Married to the Garden of Eden. The same Holy Mountain that the writer of Hebrews calls Sion. This is the City of Eden, and it is our Fathers Home.

Isaiah also tells us of his experience with the City of the Living God saying, "And it shall come to pass in the last days, that the Mountain of the Lord's House shall be established in the top of the Mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it." The testimony of the Scriptures is clear, that there was a City beside the Garden of Eden, and that it looked like a mountain. No, it is a Mountain. The Garden of Eden is named after the City of Eden, the Mountain of the Lord's Home.

Let us look at another testimony to this City. Our brother John, writing of the New Jerusalem says that, "And the city lieth foursquare, and the length is as large as the breadth...the length and the breadth and the height of it are equal." Many have taken this testimony to mean that the City of God, was in the shape of a Cube. But this is not the imagery that is consistant with the Holy Word of God. The understanding of this witness, that maintains the mountain imagery, is that the New Jerusalem is in the shape of an Equalateral Pyramid. Not only would a pyramid be more pleasing to the eye, but it would also look exactly like a Mountain.

Daniel also gives us a view from this lofty height, for "The Stone that the builders rejected" that becomes the head of the corner, is also the Stone Kingdom that destroys the Babylonian Kingdom, in the end days. Concerning which Daniel says, "And the Stone that smote the image became a great Mountain, and filled the whole earth."

The Psalmist adds his voice to the chorus, "Great is the LORD and greatly to be praised in the City of our God, in the Mountain of His Holiness. Beautiful for situation, the joy of the whole earth, is Mount Zion on the sides of the North, the City of the Great King."

As a side note, using a Biblical Calender you will find that Enoch was taken off the earth at the very end of the first 1,000 years of this earth. And he will return at the start of the 1000 year reign of Christ. This is because he was taken into the City of God, shortly before it was taken off this earth. And it was this departure of the City that directly led to the destruction of the flood. This is why God says, "And behold, I, even I, do bring a flood of waters upon the earth..." because God was so sick of fallen man that He couldn't remain in our presense any longer, so He left with the City, and took Enoch with Him as Testimony. It was the departure of the City of Eden through our Atmosphere (heaven) that caused the flood. And it will be the return of God that will cause the Fires of the Tribulation. The city is synonomous with God's presense, which was here at the begining, and will be again at the start of the Millenium. Of this all the Scipture agree.

The belief: that during the Mill, the New Jerusalem would be floating above the earth, and that after the Mill, God would destroy everything and than recreate it, and that only then would the New Jerusalem be established on this earth: was never entertained by the Jews before the times of Yeshua. It was not entertained by Yeshua Himself, or the Apostles, or the early Church. It is a result of the reemrgence to a position of prominence of the PreMillenial Faith. For the first 300 years of the Church age, the PreMill faith was the 'Catholic' faith. Then around the times of Constantine, this faith was supplanted by Covenant theology, which said the jews were cast off, and the church was the kingdom. Then around the 1700s the premill faith once again began to gain prominence. However this particular Belief of the New Premill Faith is not part of the original faith. It is a result of poor principles of interpretation, and lack of faith in God's ability and desire to return to this earth and restore it with His presence, as opposed to totally destroying it at the end of the Mill, and then blessing it with His presense. The Great Conflagration of both the Covenant and the Testament, have always been understood as occuring at the end of the Tribulation, not at the End of the Millenium. And to this witness the stars also agree, because in the Orion Constellation, which describes the Return of Yeshua, The Firery River of Judgement springs up at His Feet. His Glory is going to be so Awesome, that it will set this fallen world on fire.

This Fiery Conflagration is spoken of by Peter. He starts his description with the Concept of the Lord's RETURN, "Where is the promise of His Coming?" Obviously this is at the end of the Trib, and not at the end of the Mill. Then he says, "But the heavens and the earth [are]...reserved unto fire against the day of judgement" This is the judgement of the Tribulation, not at the end of the Mill, as some state. Thus Revelation 14:7, "Fear God, and give glory to him' for the Hour of His Judgement is Come" and sometime shortly after that the Vials are poured out. Then Peter continues in the context of Yeshua's return at the end of the Trib, "But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up."

And again, John tells us exactly when this thief like coming and firery judgmement occurs, which is right before the Seventh Vial is poured out; "Behold, I come as a thief...and he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue, Armageddon." And this exact same outline of events is also the case in Isaiah chapter 66, as well as everywhere in the Scriptures (Amos and Psalms and Nahum to name a few).

When God says that, "I make all things New" it is a passage of Scripture specifically refering to the begining of the Millenium and it is talking about the renewal of the earth, and heaven (atmosphere) that takes place during the Restoration of All Things. And the concept of renewal is justified by the original Hebrew language, as well as the context of the Greek. And this renewel will require the personal presense of Yeshua, and His city. This will be necessary because of those who 'destroy the earth' and because of of the Fiery Conflagration. But by the end of the Mill, people will again be living to 900 years old, and the Mill will be incredibly abundant in all aspects. Why would God redestroy all of the work His Son has done?

And if you will look at height of the City, as far as I can tell, it is going to be something like 300 miles high. Because of this, its Glory will literally be able to be seen from around the world. It won't need to be 'floating' above the earth, because it will be towering above the earth. From this incredibly Glorious City, will Yeshua, The King Of Glory, reign over the Heavens and the Earth, and this is a situation that is Due His Terrible Majesty. And hence, at the end of the Mill, at the last judgement when it says that "Heaven and Earth fled away, and there was no place found for them" is a description of the situation in the Throne Room of the New Jerusalem, which will be 300 miles above the earth, even above most of our atmosphere, where it will appear that heaven and earth did indeed 'pass away'. This is because of the seriousness of the situation. And for the damned, the heaven and earth, which will be full of the Glory of the Lord, will indeed pass away. On top of that, if the Sun is the Lake of Fire, this will be the focus of everyone's attention, even the redeemed, but especially the damned. And at 300 miles above the earth, it will be highly visible, and will be continuly in the Presense of the Lord, where He will see the Smoke of the torment of the damned, forever.

We have already seen that the Marriage imagery concerning the New Jerusalem, is established in Chapter 19 of Revelation, at the end of the Tribulation and start of the Millenium. This chapter introduces the follwing chapters on the Glory of that City. You can not separate the imagery of the City, Mountain and Garden. All three go together in a 'marriage' relationship. Hence, in the Millenium the Land of Israel will be called Beulah, which means married.

And as surely as Yeshua will be married to His Kingdom, so also shall the New Jerusalem be married to this earth. The testimony of the Scriptures is unanimous. All the great blessings of the Mill, as recorded in both the Covenant and the Testament, are impossible if the New Jerusalem is floating somewhere in space.

All of the descriptions of the City use the same poetic language of Mountain, River, Trees and Garden, and perfect communion of the Saints around God and the Lamb, which is also the description of the Millenal Reign of Yeshua. It is obvious that this is a result of the New Jerusalem being on this earth. For those that don't believe this, it is because you are looking through your fleshly eyes, and not the eyes of faith, which "looks for a City which has foundations and who builder and maker is God."

This is why the Scriptures say that the Old Jerusalem where the mortals live will be God's Footstool. Because the New Jerusalem will be on this earth, in which will dwell the Glorified Saints. John says that their will be no more sea. This is talking about the Mediterrean Sea. This is where the New Jerusalem will be placed, with one of its borders flush up against the Land of Israel. And this is why the Land of Israel is described as the Garden of Eden in the future. Because the land of Israel was the Garden of Eden before the Flood.

The Millenium is called, "The Restoration of All Things" and this includes the City of God, with His personal presense amoung us. Hence Ezekials words, "And the name of the City from that day shall be, The LORD is There." And John says, "Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and He shall dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God Himself shall be with them, and be their God." And then shall Yeshua be called by His other name, Immanual-God With Us.

And it is called the New Jerusalem in contrast to the Old Jerusalem, which will lie east of it. But there is another reason that it is called New. Because for 2,000 years Yeshua has been putting on some additions. Rumor has it that He is done and looking for some Friends to move in.

-- Edited by Theoferrum on Monday 19th of July 2010 03:21:11 PM


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Here is a scale model of what it would look like :

New Jerusalem on Earth


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David Hill (22 May 1999) "The New Jerusalem and The Pyramid"

This is my theory about the New Jerusalem. There are passages in the Old Testament (I can't recall them right off hand, but I am looking for them), that seem to indicate that the New Jerusalem will be to the west of the Old Jerusalem. Hence the Old Jerusalem would be Yeshua's 'footstool'. Then, the interpretation of the dimensions of the New Jerusalem (apparetnly there are several ways to look at the dimensions, and they all are possible) you could have a City as large as 1200 miles long on each side. However, I think, that the measurements are to be understood that the length plus the width plus the height, added up to 12,000 furlongs. And if that is the case, the sides would be about 400 miles long, and the height would (if measureed straight up) would be something like 350 miles up. I think that this would put the New Jerusalem as butting up against the pyramid, maybe inside the 'outer court' of the New Jerusalem. But yes, I think that they will be real close! I think that Enoch built the pyramid, which he modelled after the New Jerusalem. In fact, that is why I came to the conclusion that the New Jerusalem would be in the shape of a pyramid, and hence, it would look like a Mountain. We might not have to wait long to find out!


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Editor's Note : September 25, 2007 : This one has been edited - I don't trust the person I was replying to.

David Hill (22 May 1999) "Re: "From the Foundation of the World"

There is obviously some 'type' of heavenly realm, where war is fought. And, this is indeed where God dwells now, in the New Jerusalem.

The question is, is this where He originally dwelt. I think that it can be shown, that He originalluy dwelt with us on this earth, in the Garden before the fall. He, almost assuredly dwelt in the City then as well, and this is the inspiration for Abraham who, "Looked for a City, which hath foundations, whose builder and maker is God" - Christ.

We need to remember that Abraham only had the first 11 chapters of Genesis for Revelation (that we know of) so how was it that he was looking for a city? Because the Garden of Eden was named after the City of Eden (paradise) which was where God dwelled. This was subsequently removed from this earth after the fall, when our sins became too great.

If you look at when Enoch was taken, and convert it to a Biblical Calender, you will see that God took Enoch at exactly the year 1,000 since creation. God stayed here for 1,000 years in the City, in the Garden. Then, when He left, He took Enoch with Him. And it is my belief that He will return, with the City of Eden (New Jerusalem) at the start of the Mill.

The belief that the New Jerusalem will be in Heaven for the Mill, is a new teaching with the Premill scholars, and is based on a faulty interpretation of Revelation 19,20,21 and 22. The style of writing of the Jews has been pointed out by many scholars regarding chapters 12,13 and 14 of revelation.

This is where the author will be talking about something, then he will go back and fill in some details, and then pick up where her left off. This is the exact same thing that you have in chapters 19-22. The Bride, the Wife of the Lamb is introduced in chapter 19 verse 7, with symbolism of Marriage. Then the Return and Armeggeddon is described, with the overthrow of the antiChrist, and the false prophet and the binding of satan in chapter 20. John without stopping the flow of the subject, shows what is the final result of Satan. And then, in chapter 21, he returns to the begin of the Mill, and the Marriage supper of the Lamb. This occurs at the start of the Mill, not the end.

The New Jerusalem will not be in heaven, but on the earth. This is consistent with the land of Israel being called Beulah, in that day, for this means Married. This is at the start of the Mill, and it is what makes the Mill so incredibly Glorious. this is also what leads to the restoration of the earth, during the mill, so that people again live to be hundreds of years old.

The immediate context defines who committed the unpardonable sin. In verse 33 and 34, the corrupt tree is defined as the generation of vipers that ended up turning Y'shua over to the Romans. I don't think that this can be extended beyond that time.

For instance, Paul tells us that "All Israel Will Be Saved", refering to the end of the Tribulation when they say, "Blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord."

This salvation of the nation is also shown in several places in the Old Testament. Zechariah 13:1 "In that day [that the Lord defends Jerusalem] there shall be a fountain opened up to the house of David and the inhabitants of Jerusalem." This is specifically the Davidic Monarchy.

We know that Yeshua is the one who pours out this water, so who are the recipitents? Daniel is promised to be raised up and inheirit the Kingdom in that day. And there are many others.

"When I take Judah my Bow and fill it with Ephraim my Arrows..." refering to the fighting that occurs in the middle east towards the end of the Trib, in which Israel will fight, and Yeshua will help them. Look at the last chapters of the Book of Ezekial.

This is the reestablishment of the Theocratic Kingdom in Israel, with the physical descendants of Abraham, with the house of David restored, whorshipping God and Yeshua in a Temple.

As well, as far as Israel Ruling in the Heaven, you have the verses in Hebrews. Chapter Eleven describes the cloud of witnesses, which are listed by name and are the Israelite Saints.

And then, the word tells us that "They without us shall not be made perfect" or given glorified bodies.

Maybe you are refering the the Israelites in the last 2,000 years, who didn't accept Y'shua as savior. If you are, then I would say, that, if they are going to be in the Kingdom, they will be so in spirit, with their bodies having to wait until the end of the Mill, for their ressurection. But they will be in the New Jerusalem, unles Abraham's bosum is still down stairs.

However, the nation of Israel, that makes it through the tribulation and accept Y'shua as savior (as a nation) will be reigning in the MIll. We also have to differentiate between Mortals and Immortals. The Immortals will dwell in the New Jerusalem, and the mortals will dwell in the Old Jerusalem, and their respective countries. But the New Jerusalem will be on the earth.

Several authors in the old testament specifically stated that Israel had become as the stars of the skies back then! Moses is one and I think Solomon is another. And these prophecies, are best taken literally, which would make them refering to Israel. My personal interpretation is that ALL of Abraham's children, whether physical or faithful (they will all be faithful) are destined to inhabit the universe. And that is actually a literal fulfillment.

We are destined to inhabit the universe.

What I am saying is that the blessings for the Mill, as described in the Old Testament cannot be fulfilled without the personal presense of Y'shua here, with the New Jerusalem. A city worthy of His Majesty.

The Lion will lay down with the Lamb, The Earth will be filled with the knowledge of the Glory of God. Why?

Because the New Jerusalem will probably be able to be seen from half way around the world. Is 4:5 "And the LORD will create upon every dwelling place of mount Zion, and upon her assemblies, a cloud and smode by day, and the shining of a flaming fire by night: for upon all the glory shall be a defence. And there shall be a Tabernacle for a shadow in the daytime from the heat, and for a place of refuge, and for a covert from storm and from rain."

This is the New Jerusalem, and very possibly the saints, ministering to Israel.

Listen to Isaiah 2, and think about the New Jerusalem, in the shape of an equallateral pyramid (not cube):

"And it shall come to pass in the last days, that the Mountain of the LORD'S House shall be established in the top of the Mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it. And many people shall go and say, come ye, and let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, to the House of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for out of Zion shall go forth the Law, and the Word of the LORD from Jerusalem. And HE [Yeshua] shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people: and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war anymore. O house of Jacob, come ye, and let us walk in the light of the LORD."

And look at chapter 54, "Sing, o barren, thou that didst not bear; break forth into singing, and cry aloud...enlarge the place of thy tent, and let them stretch forth the curtains of thine habitations: spare not, lengthen thy cords, and strengthen thy stakes."

You can almost picture the New Jerusalem being set down, and it goes on.

"For thou shalt break forth on the right hand and on the left. Fear not for thou shall not be ashamed. For thy Maker is thine husband; the LORD of host is his name. And I will make thy windows of agates, and thy gates of carbuncles, and all thy borders of plesant stones. And all thy children shall be taught of the LORD."

"Arise Shine for thy light is come, and the GLORY of the LORD is risen upon thee...the LORD shall arise upon thee, and his GLORY shall be seen upon thee. And Gentiles shall come to thy light, and the kings to the brightness of thy rising."

How can this be fulfilled without Y'shua personally present with His City, the New Jerusalem?

"I will greatly rejoice in the LORD, my soul shall be joyful in my God; for he hath clothed me with the garments of salvation, he hath covered me with the robe of righteousness, as a bridegroom decketh himself with ornaments, and as a bride adorneth herself with her jewels. For as the earth bringeth forth her bud, and as the garden causeth the things that are sown in it to spring forth; so the LORD GOD will cause righteousness and praise to spring forth before all the nations."

Look at the marriage typology again. This occurs at the START of the Mill, not the end.

This is just some of the references to the New Jerusalem in the Old Testament. If you look at the main themes of City, Marriage you will see that it is placed at the begining of the Mill.

As well, if you look at how the fire is used you will see that this is refering to the fire's of the tribulation. During the Mill the earth will be restored, and it will not be destroyed after that. This is another reason for the confusion. The New Heaven and the New Earth are Renewed during in the MIll. By Yeshua Himself. I will probably be posting more on this later.


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David Hill (24 May 1999) "Gleaming the Cube..."

"I intend to nip this debate right in the bud...

[Seasons over...]

the New Jerusalem IS A CUBE!!!!

[I take it you have seen it then?]

Revelation 21:12 (King James, Emphasis MINE): "And had a WALL great and high..." A WALL is VERTICAL, so it goes STRAIGHT UP AND DOWN! There is no ROOF mentioned!

[Ah, I suppose I could give you the point that a wall is straight up. However, a Wall is not a City. A Wall Encompasses a City. Slight difference. I don't quite follow your argument on the No Roof Scenario. Are you saying the the New Jerusalem is a Box, or are you saying it is a Cube. If it is a Box, then I quess it won't have a Roof. What are we going to do when it rains? But if it is a Cube, well then I assume that it has a Roof.]

13: "On the east three gates; on the north three gates; on the south three gates; and on the west three gates." The number of GATES is EQUAL on EACH SIDE.

[And of course, the only way to get through a Wall, is through a Gate. I don't have a problem with each of the four sides of an equalateral pyramid, having three gates on each side that are Equal.]

16: "And the city LIETH FOURSQUARE, and the LENGTH IS AS LARGE AS THE BREADTH: and he measured the city with the read, twelve thousand furlongs. THE LENGTH AND THE BREADTH AND THE HEIGHT OF IT ARE EQUAL." What kind of solid has walls but no roof, "lieth foursquare" (is square at the base), and has equal length, breadth and height? There is only one correct answer: A CUBE!!!

[Ah, if its solid, where are the people going to live? I guess I don't follow you here either. And actually, if you were not so opposed to the concept, you would see that an equalateral pyramid, has four sides at the base (lieth foursquare), that are all equal in length, and that if you then measured up one of the four sides, you would see that the 'heigth' is also equal to the length and width. Again, I don't know where this 'no roof' solid thing is coming from...]

If that doesn't solve the debate, nothing will.

[Well, let me throw something else at you to Rebate, till next season. If the New Jerusalem is a Solid Cube (or a roofless Box), then how can it have a Capstone? A Capstone will only fit on one type of structure, and that is a pyramid. And if you will study the use of the words: Headstone, and Corner Stone, you will see that they are refering to a Capstone. A Stone that is put on the Top or Head of a Pinnicle. In other words, a pyramid. Which looks like a mountain.]


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David Hill (25 May 1999) "The Throne of Glory"

Here are some more verses that support the establishment of the New Jerusalem, in the shape of a pyramid, on the earth at the Start of the Mill. Some of them also contain subtle references to the actual placement of the City. When you are done reading these, go back into Revelation, and read of the New Jerusalem there, and you will immediately recognize the resemblance. When we realize that "The King of Glory" will be coming to stay, then it is easy to see the New Jerusalem as His Throne of Glory.

When the Son of Man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the Throne of Glory. Matt 25

Yet have I set my King upon my holy hill of Zion. I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee. Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession. Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel. Ps 2

There is a river, the streams whereof shall make glad the city of God, the holy place of the tabernacles of the most High. God is in the midst of her; she shall not be moved: God shall help her, and that right early...Be still, and know that I am God: I will be exalted among the heathen, I will be exalted in the earth. The LORD of HOsts is with us; the God of Jacob is our refuge. Ps 46

O clap your hands all ye people; shout unto God with the voice of triumph. For the LORD most high is terrible; he is a great King over all the earth. He shall subue the people under us, and the nations under our feet. He shall choose our inheritance for us, the excellency of Jacob whom he Loved. Shelah. God is gone up with a shout, the LORD with the sound of a trumpet. Sing praises to God, sing praises: sing praises unto our King, sing praises. For God is the King of all the earth: sing ye praises with understanding. God reigneth over the heathen: God sitteth upon the throne of his holiness. The princes of the people are gathered together, even the people of the God of Abraham: for the shields of the earth belong unto God: He is greatly exalted. Ps 47

Great is the LORD, and greatly to be praised in the city of our God, in the Mountain of His Holiness. Beutiful for situation, the Joy of the Whole Earth, is Mount Zion on the sides of the North, the City of the Great King...As we have heard, so have we seen in the city of the LORD of hosts, in the city of our God: God will establish it for ever. Selah. We have thought of they lovingkindness, O God, in the midst of thy temple. According to thy name, O God, so is thy praise unto the ends of the earth: thy right hand is full of righteousness. Let Mount Zion rejoice. let the daughters of Judah be glad, because of thy judgements. Walk about Zion, and go round about her: tell the towers thereof. Mark ye well her bulwarks, consider her palaces; that ye may tell it to the generation following. God, this God, is our God for ever and ever: He will be our guide even unto death. Ps 48

By terrible things in righteousness wilt thou answer us, O God of our salvation; who art the confinence of all the ends of the earth, and of them that are afar off upon the sea: which by his strength setteth fast the Mountains; being girded with power: which stilleth the noise of the seas, the noise of their waves, and the tumult of the people. They also that dwell in the uttermost parts are afraid at thy tokens: thou makest the outgoings of the morning and the evening to rejoice. Thou visitest the earth, and waterest it; thou greatly enrichest it with the River of God, which is full of water: thou preparest them corn, when thou hast so provided for it. Thou waterest the ridges thereof abundantly: thou settlest the furrows thereof: thou makest it soft with showers: thou blessest the springing thereof. Thou crownest the year with thy goodness; and thy paths drop fatness. They drop upon the pastures of the wilderness: and the little hills rejoice on every side. The pastures are clothed with flocks; the valleys also are covered over with corn; they shout for joy, they also sing. Ps 65

The Hill of God is as the hill of Bashan; an high hill as the hill of Bashan. Why leap ye, ye high hills? This is the Hill which God desireth to dwell in; yea, the LORD will dwell in it for ever. The chariots of God are twenty thousand, even thousands of angels: The Lord is among them, as in Sinai, in the Holy Place. Thou hast ascended on high, thou hast led captivity captive: thou hast received gifts for men; yea, for the rebellious also, that the LORD God might dwell among them. Blessed be the Lord, who daily loadeth us with benefits, even the God of our Yeshua. He that is our God is the God of salvation; and unto GOD the Lord belong the issues from death...Because of thy temple at Jerusalem shall kings bring presents unto thee...Princes shall come out of Egypt; Ethiopia shall soon stretch out her hands unto God. Sing unto God, ye kingdoms of the earth; O sing praises unto the Lord; Selah: To him that rideth upon the heavens of heavens, which were of old; lo, he doth send out his voice, and that a mighty voice. Ascribe ye strength unto God: his excellency is over Israel, and his strength is in the clouds. O God, thou art terrible out of thy Holy Places: the God of Israel is he that giveth strength and power unto his people. Blessed by God. Ps 68

They that trust in the LORD shall be as Mount Zion, which cannot be removed, but abideth for ever. As the mountains are round about Jerusalem, so the LORD is round about his people from henceforth even for ever. Ps 125

Moreover I will make a covenant of peace with them; it shall be an everlasting covenant with them: and I will place them, and multiply them, and will set my sanctuary in the midst of them for evermore. My tabernacle also shall be with them: yea, I will be their God, and they shall be my people. And the heathen shall know that I the LORD do sanctify Israel, when my sanctuary shall be in the midst of them for evermore. Ez 37

And the Stone that smote the image became a great mountain, and filled the whole earth. Dan 2

And in that day will I make a covenant for them with the beasts of the field, and with the fowls of the heaven, and with the creeping things of the ground: and I will break the bow and the sword and the battle out of the earth, and will make them to lie down safely. And I will betroth thee unto me for ever; yea, I will betroth thee unto me in righteousness, and in judgment, and in lovingkindness, and in mercies. I will even betroth thee unto me in faithfulness: and thou shalt know the LORD. Hosea 2

The LORD also shall roar out of Zion, and utter his voice from Jerusalem; and the heavens and the earth shall shake: but the LORD will be the hope of his people, and the strength of the children of Israel. So shall ye know that I am the LORD your God dwelling in Zion, my Holy Mountain: then shall Jerusalem be holy, and there shall no strangers pass through her any more. And it shall come to pass in that day, that the mountains shall drop down new wine, and the hills shall flow with milk, and all the rivers of Judah shall flow with waters, and a fountain shall come forth of the house of the LORD, and shall water the valley of chittim...Judah shall dwell for ever, and Jerusalem from generation to generation. For I will cleanse their blood that I have not cleansed: for the LORD dwelleth in Zion. Joel 3

Sing and rejoice, O daughter of Zion: for, lo, I come, and I will dwell in the midst of thee, saith the LORD. And many nations shall be joined to the LORD in that day, and shall be my people: and I will dwell in the midst of thee, and thou shalt know that the LORD of hosts hath sent me unto thee. And the LORD shall inherit Judah his portion in the holy land, and shall choose Jerusalem again. Be silent, O all flesh, before the LORD: for he is raised up out of his holy habitation. Zech 2

Thus saith the LORD; I am returned unto Zion, and will dwell in the midst of Jerusalem: and Jerusalem shall be called a city of truth; and the Mountain of the LORD of Hosts the Holy Mountain. Thus saith the LORD of hosts; There shall yet old men and old women dwell in the streets of Jerusalem, and every man with his staff in his hand for very age. And the streets of the city shall be full of boys and girls playing in the streets thereof. Thus saith the LORD of hosts; If it be marvellous in the eyes of the remnant of this people in these days, should it also be marvellous in mine eyes? saith the LORD of hosts. Thus saith the LORD of hosts; Behold, I will save my people from the east country, and from the west country; and I will bring them, and they shall dwell in the midst of Jerusalem: and they shall be my people, and I will be their God, in truth and in righteousness...Thus saith the LORD of hosts; it shall yet come to pass, that there shall come people, and the inhabitants of many cities: and the inhabitants of one city shall go to another, saying, let us go speedily to pray before the LORD, and to seek the LORD of hosts: I will go also. Yea, many people and strong nations shall come to seek the LORD of hosts in Jerusalem, and to pray before the LORD. Thus saith the LORD of hosts; In those days it shall come to pass, that ten men shall take hold out of all languages of the nations, even shall take hold of the skirt of him that is a Jew, saying, we will go with you: for we have heard that God is with you. Zech 8

And he shall speak peace unto the heathen: and his dominion shall be from sea even to sea, and from the river even to the ends of the earth...And the LORD their God shall save them in that day as the flock of his people: for they shall be as the stones of a crown, lifted up as an ensign upon his land. For how great is his goodness, and how great is his beauty! Corn shall make the young men cheerful, and new wine the maids. Zech 9

And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one LORD, and his name one. All the land shall be turned as a plain from Geba to Rimmon south of Jerusalem: and it shall be lifted up, and inhabited in her place, from Benjamin's gate unto the place of the first gate, unto the corner gate, and from the tower of Hananeel unto the king's winepresses...And it shall come to pass, that everyone that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles...In that day shall there be upon the bells of the horses, HOLINESS UNTO THE LORD; and the pots in the LORD's house shall be like the bowls before the altar. Zech 14

And your eyes shall see, and ye shall say, The LORD will be magnified from the border of Israel...For from the rising of the sun even unto the going down of the same my name shall be great among the Gentiles; and in every place incense shall be offered unto my name, and a pure offering: for my name shall be great among the heathen, saith the LORD of Hosts. Malachi 1


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David Hill (4 Apr 2003) "Re: The Rapture, The New Jerusalem and Planet X"

Shalom J

Yeah, I have a hunch that IF there is a Planet X that it will turn out to be the New Jerusalem. I sent in a post a while ago on this, that there is definately some object of major mass affecting our earth. As far as the Light, I think that when the NJ comes between us and the sun that the light is filtered through it like a prism, and that this explains the Amberescent light that some have commented on. This object is, I believe, the "New Visitor" to our solar system that the Millenium Group reported on several years ago, and that it was responsible for the Gamma Ray burst back in 98 that one of the doves brought our attention to. This object apparently makes a revolution around our sun about every 50 days, and I just saw the 'light' a couple of days ago in reference to this.

Also, I heard an astronomy expert a while back on this and he said that IF there is an object out there that we want to call planet x, that it must be LESS THEN
1000 MILES in diameter or we would have seen it by now. This is of course, descriptive of the NJ which I believe is about 450 miles square.

Thus, in theory, the Rapture should occur when the NJ is on OUR side of the sun.


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David Hill (3 Apr 2000) "Pyramid and 144,000"

Concerning the 144,000 and the pyramid, it has been stated that the pyramid was originally encased with white limestone blocks, the total of which was 144,000. We know that this is the amount of male virgins in the revelation, as well as the dimensions of the New Jerusalem.

The New Jerusalem (which I believe will be in the shape of an equalateral pyramid-equal length, width and heigth- with four sides to the four compass points), has foundations of apostles-the church (which came second so is 'feminine' or the 'mother'. The gates are of the tribes-israel (which came first so is 'masculine' or the father). And the dimensions are that of the 144,000 (the offspring of the above two). What you ultimately have in the New Jerusalem is a monument to the entire family of God (all saved by His grace), and contains all of its dimensions. Father = 12, Mother = 12, and Offspring = 144 (hence the phrase, be fruitful and multiply).

But, if you think thats cool, then consider this same commandment to be fruitfull and multiply, and multiply Abraham's descendants that are as numerous as the sands on the sea (Israel), by his descendants that are as numerous as the stars in the sky (church), and then what numbers do you come up with? Point is, that they will be represented by the new jerusalem, no matter what the resulting figures are. And perhaps, the 12 above, is in fact, like the tribes, drawn from the constellations themselves.

Concerning 153, this would somehow be related to the Church, and is possibly a hint of the timing of the rapture (the 'dimensions' of the church age).


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